Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0

To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module (say, a
game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
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there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and stuff.

Fr Corey Blake OSB

"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."

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Nathan

2004-11-11 23:07:36 UTC

Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and stuff.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Corey

2004-11-11 23:23:43 UTC

To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and stuff.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

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it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?

Fr Corey Blake OSB

"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Nathan

2004-11-11 23:51:02 UTC

Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it pretty
well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some stuff is
just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to run 2 copies
of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games on other bbs's,
why can wg do it too... hmph..

anyway, thanks for the replies.

Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read this
group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and stuff.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Questman

2004-11-11 23:59:23 UTC

Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What most
game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of message
files and data files - that would have allowed it.

It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.

Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it pretty
well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some stuff is
just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to run 2 copies
of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games on other bbs's,
why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read this
group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module

(say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

Post by Nathan
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Nathan

2004-11-12 00:10:27 UTC

I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a different db?

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What most
game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of message
files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to run
2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games on
other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read this
group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module

(say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Questman

2004-11-12 18:43:05 UTC

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a different db?

Actually, yes. the calls to open the database files are 99% like this:

pointer_variable = dfaOpen("filename.dat",null);

therefore, you should be able to see "filename.dat" if you hex-edit the
module.

same with the .MCV file (compiled message file)

pointer_variable = opnmsg("filename.mcv");

You'd also have to change which MDF file it looks at (and that, too is
usually in "modulename.mdf" so hexable)... so you could make

My Game be named My Game 2

However, I don't think this will work. The reason is that while you'd
have two module definition files (MDFs) referring to two different DLLs
(original and hexed) that use two sets of MSG/MCV and DAT files, you
still have the one problem of the module plug-in structure being named
the same on both modules. I do not think it will work if there are two
modules named "module_mygame".

And of course, that isn't hexable. But I could be wrong!!! It's worth a
try.

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games on
other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Nathan

2004-11-18 00:16:53 UTC

Well, i guess its time to start diging around for a decent Hex editor.
:) thanks.

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a different db?

pointer_variable = dfaOpen("filename.dat",null);
therefore, you should be able to see "filename.dat" if you hex-edit the
module.
same with the .MCV file (compiled message file)
pointer_variable = opnmsg("filename.mcv");
You'd also have to change which MDF file it looks at (and that, too is
usually in "modulename.mdf" so hexable)... so you could make
My Game be named My Game 2
However, I don't think this will work. The reason is that while you'd
have two module definition files (MDFs) referring to two different DLLs
(original and hexed) that use two sets of MSG/MCV and DAT files, you
still have the one problem of the module plug-in structure being named
the same on both modules. I do not think it will work if there are two
modules named "module_mygame".
And of course, that isn't hexable. But I could be wrong!!! It's worth a
try.

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What
most game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of
message files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games
on other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Nathan

2004-11-19 00:21:22 UTC

It seems that the ONLY thing i've been able to change is the module
name... i've figured out which dat file the game uses, but i cant seem
to find any reference to that dat file in any of the games files. and i
mean any, i wasnt sure where to start, so i edited each one!

Now, these are not the live version, would that matter? i wouldnt think so.

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a different db?

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What
most game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of
message files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games
on other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/

Corey

2004-11-19 00:55:46 UTC

To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 18 2004 07:21 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
It seems that the ONLY thing i've been able to change is the module
name... i've figured out which dat file the game uses, but i cant seem
to find any reference to that dat file in any of the games files. and i
mean any, i wasnt sure where to start, so i edited each one!
Now, these are not the live version, would that matter? i wouldnt think so.

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a different db?

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What
most game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of
message files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games
on other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

I found my majorbbs mod, I can send that so you can get a idea of how they did
it.

Corey+

Fr Corey Blake OSB

"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Nathan

2004-11-19 01:02:15 UTC

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 18 2004 07:21 pm

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a different db?

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What
most game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of
message files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games
on other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

I found my majorbbs mod, I can send that so you can get a idea of how they did
it.
Corey+
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

sounds good to me.
can you e-mail it to gangrif!mindless.com ? (! = @)
just put someting meaningful in the subject, that's an address i use for
spam.. and.. well.. usenet posts. :)

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/

Questman

2004-11-19 20:56:50 UTC

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 18 2004 07:21 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
It seems that the ONLY thing i've been able to change is the module

name... i've figured out which dat file the game uses, but i cant seem
to find any reference to that dat file in any of the games files.

and i

mean any, i wasnt sure where to start, so i edited each one!

Post by Nathan
Now, these are not the live version, would that matter? i

wouldnt think so.

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a

different db?

Post by Nathan
Actually, yes. the calls to open the database files are 99% like
pointer_variable = dfaOpen("filename.dat",null);
therefore, you should be able to see "filename.dat" if you

hex-edit the

Post by Nathan
module.
same with the .MCV file (compiled message file)
pointer_variable = opnmsg("filename.mcv");
You'd also have to change which MDF file it looks at (and that,

too is

Post by Nathan
usually in "modulename.mdf" so hexable)... so you could make
My Game be named My Game 2
However, I don't think this will work. The reason is that while

you'd

Post by Nathan
have two module definition files (MDFs) referring to two

different DLLs

Post by Nathan
(original and hexed) that use two sets of MSG/MCV and DAT files, you
still have the one problem of the module plug-in structure being

named

Post by Nathan
the same on both modules. I do not think it will work if there

are two

Post by Nathan
modules named "module_mygame".
And of course, that isn't hexable. But I could be wrong!!! It's

worth a

Post by Nathan
try.

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What
most game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of
message files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage

of it.

Post by Questman
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but

some

Post by Nathan
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so

difficult to

Post by Nathan
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door

games

Post by Nathan
on other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular?

expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004

04:57 pm

Post by Nathan
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on

its own.

Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash

resources and

Post by Corey
stuff.

Post by Nathan
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were

Catholic..."

Post by Nathan
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of

ram.

Post by Corey
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you

needed

Post by Corey
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or

lantastic.

Post by Corey
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems

had.

Post by Corey
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

I found my majorbbs mod, I can send that so you can get a idea of how they did
it.
Corey+
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

sounds good to me.
just put someting meaningful in the subject, that's an address i use for
spam.. and.. well.. usenet posts. :)

What game are you trying to duplicate again? I think you posted it, bu
tI forgot.

Rick

Nathan

2004-11-19 23:11:26 UTC

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 18 2004 07:21 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
It seems that the ONLY thing i've been able to change is the

module

name... i've figured out which dat file the game uses, but i cant

seem

to find any reference to that dat file in any of the games files.

and i

mean any, i wasnt sure where to start, so i edited each one!

Post by Nathan
Now, these are not the live version, would that matter? i

wouldnt think so.

Post by Nathan
I take it theres no easy way to trick a module into using a

different db?

Post by Nathan
Actually, yes. the calls to open the database files are 99%
pointer_variable = dfaOpen("filename.dat",null);
therefore, you should be able to see "filename.dat" if you

hex-edit the

Post by Nathan
module.
same with the .MCV file (compiled message file)
pointer_variable = opnmsg("filename.mcv");
You'd also have to change which MDF file it looks at (and that,

too is

Post by Nathan
usually in "modulename.mdf" so hexable)... so you could make
My Game be named My Game 2
However, I don't think this will work. The reason is that while

you'd

Post by Nathan
have two module definition files (MDFs) referring to two

different DLLs

Post by Nathan
(original and hexed) that use two sets of MSG/MCV and DAT files,

you

Post by Nathan
still have the one problem of the module plug-in structure being

named

Post by Nathan
the same on both modules. I do not think it will work if there

are two

Post by Nathan
modules named "module_mygame".
And of course, that isn't hexable. But I could be wrong!!! It's

worth a

Post by Nathan
try.

Post by Questman
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What
most game writers did not do was allow you to specify

locations of

Post by Questman
message files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage

of it.

Post by Questman
Rick

Post by Nathan
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to

know it

Post by Nathan
pretty well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but

some

Post by Nathan
stuff is just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so

difficult to

Post by Nathan
run 2 copies of the same game? Its simple to do it with door

games

Post by Nathan
on other bbs's, why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who

read

Post by Nathan
this group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular?

expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004

04:57 pm

Post by Nathan
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same

module (say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on

its own.

Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash

resources and

Post by Corey
stuff.

Post by Nathan
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were

Catholic..."

Post by Nathan
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs

of ram.

Post by Corey
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you

needed

Post by Corey
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or

lantastic.

Post by Corey
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode

systems had.

Post by Corey
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were

Catholic..."

Post by Corey
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

I found my majorbbs mod, I can send that so you can get a idea of how they did
it.
Corey+
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

sounds good to me.
just put someting meaningful in the subject, that's an address i use
for spam.. and.. well.. usenet posts. :)

What game are you trying to duplicate again? I think you posted it, bu
tI forgot.
Rick

i dont know if i mentioned.

Tele-Arena 5.6D Gold.

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/

Bert Rozenberg

2004-11-20 01:28:08 UTC

Post by Nathan
i dont know if i mentioned.
Tele-Arena 5.6D Gold.

http://tinyurl.com/pt1i

--
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Stop fighting Spam, Start Ignoring it.
http://www.spambright.com
Bill Clinton is running for reelection instead of from the draft

Nathan

2004-11-20 01:33:27 UTC

Post by Bert Rozenberg

Post by Nathan
i dont know if i mentioned.
Tele-Arena 5.6D Gold.

http://tinyurl.com/pt1i

... stfu

--
http://www.undrground.org:8000/bbs/

Corey

2004-11-12 00:30:14 UTC

To: Questman
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Questman to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:59 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Because the games are coded to use specific database files. What most
game writers did not do was allow you to specify locations of message
files and data files - that would have allowed it.
It's possible, but most ISV developers did not take advantage of it.
Rick

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs

Post by Nathan
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,

proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Nathan
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module

(say, a

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

err, yeah, that too.

Fr Corey Blake OSB

"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Corey

2004-11-12 00:30:13 UTC

To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:51 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it pretty
well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some stuff is
just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to run 2 copies
of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games on other bbs's,
why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read this
group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module (say
game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and stuff.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

yep, it's hard to run 2 of a door because mbbs don't really use doors...
they are dlls, just like any other part of the system, a linkable library
that inits and loads on system bootup. so, it init and grabs a set of system
varibles in bootup, and if another modual trys to init those again you will
get a big GP crash. the few multi games I have seen had thier source code
modified or thier dlls hex edited. yep, me and you, a few others read the group
but not too many will reply.

Fr Corey Blake OSB

"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Richupinu

2004-11-13 01:48:50 UTC

I know majormud can have multiple instances running. It is a little complex
and allot of hex editing but it is doable. as far as the others I would
assume it could be done the same way. I have never tried other games except
majormud.

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:51 pm

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and stuff.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

it was ahead of it's time.
no one else could touch it back then for performance.
it was fast.
you could do over 128 lines on a 386 computer with 16 megs of ram.
while most everyone else was multinode, it was multiline.
for a multinode bbs to even come close to a mbbs system you needed
a huge room of computers on a fast network, like netware or lantastic.
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

yep, it's hard to run 2 of a door because mbbs don't really use doors...
they are dlls, just like any other part of the system, a linkable library
that inits and loads on system bootup. so, it init and grabs a set of system
varibles in bootup, and if another modual trys to init those again you will
get a big GP crash. the few multi games I have seen had thier source code
modified or thier dlls hex edited. yep, me and you, a few others read the group
but not too many will reply.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Corey

2004-11-13 02:42:35 UTC

To: Richupinu
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Richupinu to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Sat Nov 13 2004 01:48 am

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
I know majormud can have multiple instances running. It is a little complex
and allot of hex editing but it is doable. as far as the others I would
***ume it could be done the same way. I have never tried other games except
majormud.

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:51 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it

pretty

well too, and i like what i see, most of the time, but some stuff is
just... well.. dumb. Why's it have to be so difficult to run 2 copies
of the same game? Its simple to do it with door games on other bbs's,
why can wg do it too... hmph..
anyway, thanks for the replies.
Do you get the feeling that you and I are the only one's who read this
group anymore too?

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module

(say

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

Post by Corey
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

lantastic.

Post by Corey
it's only even near competitor was Tbbs, and they are dead too.
and they cost about the same also.
Mbbs and Tbbs had special games none of the multinode systems had.
shall I go on?
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

system

Post by Corey
varibles in bootup, and if another modual trys to init those again you

will

Post by Corey
get a big GP crash. the few multi games I have seen had thier source code
modified or thier dlls hex edited. yep, me and you, a few others read the

group

Post by Corey
but not too many will reply.
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

yep, I found a file on how to do it.

Fr Corey Blake OSB

"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

Questman

2004-11-13 06:13:21 UTC

It'd just be better if this was supported natively by the module. I
think I'm going to tinker with this with my modules. If it works,
it'd be a nice feature to offer users of them.

Rick

Post by Richupinu
I know majormud can have multiple instances running. It is a little complex
and allot of hex editing but it is doable. as far as the others I would
assume it could be done the same way. I have never tried other games except
majormud.

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:51 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Yea, i get it.
door's on wg seem to suck though.
its just frustrating sometimes, i like wg, i'm getting to know it

pretty

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 06:07 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Great, so tell me again, why was WB/Mbbs so popular? expensive,
proprietary, and very limited expandability.......

Post by Corey
To: Nathan
Re: Running multiple copies of a module on WG2.0
By: Nathan to alt.bbs.majorbbs on Thu Nov 11 2004 04:57 pm
n

From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.majorbbs
Is there any way to run two or more copies of the same module

(say

game) on a single WGBBS system? Each configurable on its own.
Thanks.
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

there was a hack for majormud I saw once.
normally no, becuase the two moduals would clash resources and

stuff.

Post by Corey
Fr Corey Blake OSB
"Photons have mass!!?? I didn't even know they were Catholic..."
--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76
From The Three Stooges Gentlemens Club

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

lantastic.

--- Synchronet 3.12a-Win32 NewsLink 1.76

system

Post by Corey
varibles in bootup, and if another modual trys to init those again you

will

Post by Corey
get a big GP crash. the few multi games I have seen had thier source code
modified or thier dlls hex edited. yep, me and you, a few others read the

group

Leonzo E. Miller III

2004-11-17 12:46:16 UTC